Bevan Rudge:
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Xero is another accounting application that competes with the likes of Quicken and MYOB. It isn't the first application-as-a-service in this market, but it is, IMO the best.
I hate accounting, numbers and tracking invoices and bills. But I don't like paying accountants to do it for me either. However the folk at Xero got everything right in automating an otherwise boring task that you normally pay $1000 of dollar for an accountant to do. I spend about 20 minutes per week telling Xero what account / category each of the transactions falls into -- and that's all I do!
I repeat; That's all I do. Xero takes care of the rest. I don't even need to import my bank statements - Xero does that for me too. Look how easy doing my GST returns was;
It took me about 1 minute to locate the link that took me to this (obviously I've blacked out the actual numbers);
The lengthy part was completing the form on IRD's website, which is just a matter of copying the numbers.
Of course none of the GST stuff is very useful if you're business isn't registered in NZ, but the other features are fairly generic and apparently they're already moving into the UK market with this.
The only thing Xero hasn't got right is the platform. They wrote this from scratch on the .Net framework, and it shows in the many small but annoying bugs. I've submitted several bug reports to them and they have been very communicative, responsive and most were fixed promptly. But they shouldn't need to waste resources on issues like broken login forms, broken forum notification services, basic search requirements etc.
I guess some folk still haven't realized that these sorts of issues have already been dealt with and that there is no need to reinvent the wheel. That's what frameworks like drupal are for! :)
Actually drupal + contrib modules could probably do 60 to 75% of this complex web app out of the box. The other 40% would be easily done with a custom module through drupal's hooks.
An open source alternative to Xero is SMB Ledger.
Update
The quality of my experience with Xero was great when I wrote this 2+ years ago and has improved since then. They now have the features I was missing at that time as well as other additional features — some of which I use. The support team is still very responsive.
I still regret that I am doing my accounting with proprietary software. And I think it's a little pricey for my use (contractor with low number of foreign-currency transactions) — but still excellent value. They have packages now which allow you to get less feature-packed versions for a lower fee.
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update
so how's xero going for you? Any further comments especially after 'xero user's comments.
I'm unsure as to whether to run my small business on it. I'd hate to see all my data go down th edrain if the system falls over.
I'm still very happy with it.
I'm still very happy with it. The only complaint I have is that multiple currencies are still not supported. I signed up when I was told that multi-currency support would be added in matter of months. Almost two years later, they are still saying it's just 'a couple of months away'. As a software engineer I'm a more sympathetic about this than most would be; multi-currency accounting is very complex.
You do have to put a decent amount of trust into any service provider and anyone that handles your data. This applies to your email provider, your ISP, your accountant, your bank...
Frankly, I'd rather pay someone else to implement a comprehensive backup and recovery system for many people like me, than implement my own that will probably break when I need it anyway! I'm sure xero's engineers have a much better backup system than I would have with a desktop accounting system, and I have more confidence that they'll take better care of my data than I could.
This doesn't resolve privacy concerns though, and that's a more difficult one.
Xero now has multi-currency
Xero announced mult-currency support today. I haven't tried it yet; http://www.xero.com/multi-currency?utm_medium=email&utm_source=Direct%20...
Xero review
I have used Xero for the several weeks now, I have used Quicken extensively as well. Xero needs quite a bit of tidyup work if it comes close to the functionality of Quicken. The automatic downloads are good but that's about where it ends. A lot of the functions are very around the house, involving a lot of mouse clicks and going in and out of different parts of the program as you can't have more than one window open. You can't save report settings so you are continually resetting them every time you want to generate a report and because you can't keep more than one window open at a time you have to go in and out of the report generation area.
Things like no option to have no decimal places on the reports are sub standard. These things are standard on other accounting software.
The Xero server is also very slow even when you have reasonable broadband speed so your work pace is slowed right down staring at the screen a lot waiting for things to load.
The help is not intuitive at all. You get screeds of notes that don't tell you the answers.
I could go on, to sum up they have a lot of work to do. It will be interesting to see how things pan out after this year end 31/03/09 and the accounting fees incurred by small businesses having to get their work fixed up. You still have to have quite a bit of accounting knowledge to drive this software properly.
I liked Xero. I also think
I liked Xero. I also think it's better than Quicken, easier to use.
Thanks for the information about Xero
I will study more about it and how it works and make my life easier.
That brain-cracking accounting...
Accounting is a big NO for me. I hate numbers. But with the idea about Xero.... well, maybe it could help me.
Thanks for Xero info
Thanks for informing about Xero. I also hate accounting and depends on others to help me to manage my paperwork since accountants are expensive.
I will explore how it works and hopefully it may help me make my life easier.
NZ only?
I like this idea, but its not modified for non-NZ usage for us Europeans?
Does Open Source Have Commercial Viability?
I'm intrigued by your belief in the use of Open Source as an alternate to a Microsoft platform. I have written my thoughts on my blog here (http://stuartbale.blogspot.com/2008/01/does-open-source-have-commercial....) and linked to you, however if you prefer, I can remove the link.
Regards,
Stuart
We would quite like to do this in Drupal
or (more likely) integrate with SMB Ledger.
If you could elaborate on your thoughts regarding contrib modules to use and what the custom module must do, and what Xero's key features are, we'd appreciate it.
I think you're seeking more
I think you're seeking more detail on what I've already mentioned above, am I right? Please contact me privately if you want more details.